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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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cyka hello Richard don't tell me you've

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got an ipad 2 I our email an iPad as

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well as well yes I have an iPad and you

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have an iPad 2 as well and you've got

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what is Baxter ah that's my new Moog

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synthesizer yeah it's a that's quite a

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nice little app actually it's not bad

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and you were trying to do the skeptic

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sample was very badly very badly this is

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sort of like the class dr. bus stop by

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to see you back in the zone step I can't

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believe I'm here again I don't know

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whatever I disappeared it to some sort

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of play all of existence you do from

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time but I do it so do you but when you

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disappear another universe there's

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actually something there when I

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disappeared other universe it's actually

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a black hole of nothingness but you've

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actually been somewhere I've been

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somewhere in fact you and I are just

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looking at your giant monitor here on

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your desk and it's a huge map of Death

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Valley and I was just pointing out some

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of the amazing places it's a phenomenal

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place amazing as you posted a few nights

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interesting little videos here on the

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old skeptic zone vodcast podcaster you

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to be thinking I have that's the Death

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Valley Adventures of me and Brian

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Dunning from skip boy dot-com and I also

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put those into the feed a good fun

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couple of funny videos and videos so

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have you been it's been a while that's

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the year the years just sort of

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disappeared oh they always do like the

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come November you always think yourself

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what what happened what happened wasn't

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it just like Christmas and I know it's

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just like but you have been actually

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doing consuming some fun stuff with the

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old TV show I have yeah and the one has

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got one more week to run thank God for

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that and then then I'll be a former as

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Brian Dunning says I'll be a former

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Kelly celebrity after that performance

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living but that is actually quite i find

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myself laughing my head off watching

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that show not at you Richard yeah I

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think you're doing a great job for

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skepticism the world over but the

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contestants are quite amusing if

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international Lister's haven't had the

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chance to see the one the TV show i'm

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currently on there's clips on youtube

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yes miss clips on you yeah yeah and it's

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good it's basically a search for

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Australia's greatest psychic most gifted

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so no I'll most gifted psychic and you

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can't see my fingers by making little

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low quotation marks psychic but yeah

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it's been it's fun it's fun so what's

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what's in store for the show this week

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well coming up this week our main

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artists scored an interview with edward

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ripley's believe it or not he is not yes

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no it's not yes yeah believe it or not

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oh that's a bad one so actually believe

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it or not the actual show yes I so I

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need the actual book is that still

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running I don't the show is but there's

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the book i'm sure the book still

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ripley's believe it or not is is being

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printed it's like I think he mentions in

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the interview that they're sort of in

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competition with guinness book of world

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records but they have sort of different

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areas yeah right i believe it or not

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they'll have something which is really

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bizarre doesn't even doesn't have to be

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a record right okay well if that sounds

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like a lot so he talks about some of the

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strange things he's so i remember that

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show like many many years I was always

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fascinating as it as a kid growing up so

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that that's coming up and then what we

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have is a little clip i went to new town

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festival here in sydney oh oh yes for

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those who haven't been a new town it's a

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freaky place it's a great place is good

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fun it attracts all cut all sorts the

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of people turned up and I went along and

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had a quick word to the people who were

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staffing the three thought Alliance tent

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so three thought Alliance tent say that

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quickly they that's not just up the road

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from the happy hi herb shop is it which

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is in new tax free thought with the

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heavy haider there is a place called

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happy higher as beauty area there is

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amazing yourself Oh that'll be a lot of

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fun yeah that was great to go along

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there and have a chat to them and after

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that after that we have a little clip

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the world I go back to New Orleans oh so

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is there a few weeks ago everywhere to

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the this icon right the committee for

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skeptical inquiry convention and I

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talked to a good friend of ours been

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Radford ah about his impressions of the

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Convention and then we go back around

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the other side of the world from

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Melbourne Australia where Maynard

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continues his interviews and insights

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from skeptic amp Melbourne gee this is

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truly becoming an international show

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that the BB by having them coming this

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little microphone the head that you got

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here are you everywhere it has or

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someone's microphones me it travels

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around a lot so that's it's a big show

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and we must say that before we even get

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into this big show happy

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birthday dr. H oh happy birthday that's

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why she did so birthday today the 19th

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of November 93rd of Ember yeah happy

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puppy to you very good they do your

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it's not happy but it's not as fast as I

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that same it was racing like a doctor

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who ah yes it did the skeptics and have

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one episode is this again 1611 g61 that

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is just ridiculous now don't forget

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everybody that we still are now drive to

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get Maynard to go to Las Vegas obvious i

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made a fundraiser fundraiser oh how

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close we got we got 15 20 bucks yeah we

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got about that we got to need about 2

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grand we need a bit more site about two

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and it's gonna be good value if you can

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help may not get there he is very good

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value in person he's great value for the

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show it is actually because as I was my

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listeners know once may not get to say

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Las Vegas what it does it means that our

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listeners will get heaps and heaps of

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great interviews to enjoy for weeks and

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weeks to come and people like dr. Richie

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and myself and other members of the zone

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team can concentrate on being at the

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convention other things there are lakes

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and also good and in Maine arts case

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what happens in vegas won't stay in

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vegas be broadcast on the skeptics

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island there you go folks if you want to

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help get maynard las vegas so you can

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enjoy more great interviews run to

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skeptics own TV and consider donating

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all a bit of money away or if you you

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can just donate 99 cents a week you know

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is micro focus on payment plan ya do

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that for a little while you aren't even

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miss 99 cents a week but it all does

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help us if enough people do that yeah i

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know it will will send into the moon was

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it or death valley one of the other no

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that's it not enough people do alright

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well Richard let's get on with the show

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no I want to learn how to use this one

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little bit more thing okay while we're

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doing that and having this nice string

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of capital of magic water will play this

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and we'll get on to the show down to the

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here's may not spooky action at the

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ladies and gentlemen I have a man on the

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phone now I you the editor the chief

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cheese at Ripley's Believe It or Not

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book publishing division one of the

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chief Jesus it's very much a group

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effort to put together our books every

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mile when you walk down the corridor do

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people you know shudder they certainly

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stare at me sometimes the last couple of

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days I've been walking around the

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streets of melbourne with a two-headed

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three winged three-legged crow and if it

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doesn't turn in nothing will as a kid

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and as an adult it's the kind of book

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you glance at every once in a while it's

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just all you'll do is look at one page

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and it's supposed to blow your mind when

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did you get involved with it and you

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well I do the booking question is called

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strikingly true and we've been in the

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book publishing business since nineteen

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twenty nine but this is our latest and

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greatest I remember very distinctly from

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a very early age that was in our

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newspaper I got involved with the

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company almost 34 years ago now I

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actually spend most of my time acquiring

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the exhibits that are in our museums

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around the world what has been your

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favorite exhibit I mean you must have

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seen so many weird and ghoulish things

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everything about how about a full-size

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Ferrari carved out of wood and is

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actually a motorboat and of course you

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would make the people often who create

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these things is as a commonality between

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the people who make and are obsessed

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with these unusual things for example

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you just said it the commonality is

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obsessed that whatever it is they're

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after it is so important to them that

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all the rest of the world can go on

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without them they they want to make

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something to make them immortal makes

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bacon pretty good i like the portrait of

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a young boy in a cowboy outfit made from

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the corpses of two hundred thousand ants

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and you know it's just to me it's but

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why the finished product is is pretty

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good art but it's just plain weird

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and what is the stuff you've had to

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reject what is the stuff that's just

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been off the edge that you go now I'm

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afraid that that's either too dangerous

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to weed or just to flat-out impractical

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we've had to turn down well there is

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stuff that fits all of those categories

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work with aliens because you can't prove

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it everything in our book or our museums

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ripley's believe it or not is on it we

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authenticated that's tough to do with

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witchcraft type stories and aliens and

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don't quite make it but as long as it's

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true and it's unbelievable we're

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certainly going to take a look at it

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cartoon series that was different from

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baseball player himself so sports is

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what he knew early in the 1920s he took

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a trip around the world and you know was

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introduced to cultures and religions and

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architecture that you know the average

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American hadn't seen and probably never

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would he wrote them in a diary format

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published it in the first book in 1929

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and the world was just fascinated his

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readers were just fascinated that the

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world was such a strange unusual place

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and came up with the not just the term

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believe it or not but truth is stranger

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than fiction he he was literally a

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newspaper reporter but because he could

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draw he was telling the story a little

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differently than everybody else is the

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Guinness Book of Records got a bit of a

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crossover with you guys or not well it's

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a little bit I consider them our

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competition you know what is different

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there is that they're totally into

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superlatives it has to be the biggest

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the best whatever ours just has to be

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unbelievable and I don't think I've seen

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the Guinness Book of Records the picture

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of the cat have been struck by lightning

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and lives that's you know the kind of

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thing that isn't a record but clearly is

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worth noting and in this case

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unbelievable and amazing now what he's

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been chasing up in Australia and what it

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had people getting contact you

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do they try and do something that's in

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the photo how does it normally go well

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photo is probably the first step in most

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cases you can contact me directly at

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meijer meu ier a trip please calm or

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through our website w WR please calm we

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are constantly searching both for our

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books and our museums and we'd love to

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talk to anybody that has a weird story

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here in Australia chances are we can get

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you in our next book we like to see it

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and think about it before we send

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somebody out to verify it but again has

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to be authenticated has to be true if

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someone's sitting here thinking okay I

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should make something for them what area

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are you looking for what is a an

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unrequited area of bullet ripley's

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believe it or not that you really need

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something for that someone could work

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towards alright well in terms of Ripley

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art the medium is usually more important

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than the final product you know we're

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not our critics it doesn't matter if

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it's a best looking portrait if you

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hadn't told me that was Kevin Bacon

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might have a bike and I would've thought

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it was Elvis my database well there you

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go but the the bacon being more

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important than this the person in that

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case but portraits made at aunts I

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mentioned already there's a fantastic

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representation of da Vinci's Last Supper

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made out of laundry lint we get things

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made out of recycled objects all the

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time you know thinking green is a good

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way to get into Ripley's we also

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currently looking for three-dimensional

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sculpture more than wall paintings

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making something that can stand in the

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middle of the room it's got a little bit

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of edge and we're also looking for

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things that move interactivity is a big

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part of our new museums when you're in

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the shower in the morning or as you're

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drifting off to sleep in the night is

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there one thing you imagine is something

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that could really blow your mind that

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hasn't come along yet well the holy

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grail for me is something with three

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heads we've had animal oddities all our

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lives we commonly see two-headed cows

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two-headed sheep six legged pig whatever

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but somewhere out there there must be an

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animal with three heads and I'll

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consider retiring what I see that good

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luck with your DNA based adventures

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you're listening to the skeptic zone I'm

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Brian Dunning from sceptile calm when

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I'm not tuned into the skeptic zone I'm

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recording thus kept I'd podcast doing

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what I can to further knowledge by

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blasting away the widespread

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pseudo-sciences that infect popular

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culture I've also compiled a 40-minute

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educational video on critical thinking

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called here be dragons at here be

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dragons movie.com I hope you check those

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out and I hope you enjoy the skeptic

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No

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what I'm trying to convey hey can you

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hear

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what I'm saying I can't seem to get

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Rohit's the new town there's a little

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time again you see that's what I want

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you to say in the first place you're

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laughing because this is take two hello

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Ian bryce from Australian skipping hello

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Richard hello now we here at the Western

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Sydney freethinkers Sydney atheists

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circular party stand tint that's right

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it's basically that the freethought

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groups have got together and got to

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stand at the festival so we're handing

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out the picture and speaking to the

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people and it's a great day we're all

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having a good time it is pretty good

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actually there's lots of be there are

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thousands of people here in this huge

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Park in Newtown fella hundreds of stores

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people milling about and you got the

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Pope ah the Pope he's back yes indeed

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the dying Pope looks have a look oh yeah

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he's looking quite well he's on his

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golden telephone which goes to a

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satellite dish yes indeed we think we

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object to the Pope claiming to have a

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hotline to God basically so we've made a

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parody of that we've got a model of the

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Pope here resplendent with the mitre hat

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yes and lots of robes and sashes and a

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gold satellite dish with a gold

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telephone and is claiming to be looking

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for God so he can get some advice from

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the Bell so we think that that's we know

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that morals a man-made and we think it's

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appalling that some religious groups

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came to claim that they have the only

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hot line to God and they know best of

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course there's thinks they do things

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they do those that's the thing well this

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is really good now we go people some

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people lined up some people getting some

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badges there even as we speak this to

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some interest here so that's pretty good

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to see yes the Badgers say is a number

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of things is a tunnel as I just say when

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that's the Darwin fish Darwin fish they

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say I love science yeah that's pretty

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good and we've got Richard Dawkins skala

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day yes

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science for the winner says over there

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sir oh really that's really nice and as

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you did have a few years back on come

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around to the other side we have the

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Octagon that's right the sign says hit

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that's that's reach God you don't

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believe it won't reach John sweetman

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hello John the ones for each God one

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page count God that you don't believe it

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okay come back in a few hours and see

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how you go it's a really good occasion

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for outreach I think letting people know

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that the circular party here and the

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other people are here and yes the tent

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the little stand he is getting a lot of

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interest

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all right now Zoe and yes all the best

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with your where does he hear I think

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that the affair the festival in new job

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could you see that the science and

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reason being represented good to hear

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thanks for coming in during the door

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check can you hear what I'm saying I can

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seem to get through can you hear what

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I'm saying

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in here when I'm trying to do they

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and here when I'm saying

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I can't seem to get through

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thank you thanks guys pull the polls out

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soon so wait what's this concert you're

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talking about it's George prob and the

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geologic abstract you know Gio he's that

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skeptic guy who writes music in produces

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the geologic podcast oh great now this

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is gonna be awesome row check it out

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they're putting on a show and they're

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calling it to 1812 y ver that's the date

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februari 18 2012 to 1812 and it just

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happens to be a palindrome or would a

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palindrome you know it's something

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that's the same forwards as backwards

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like go hang a salami i'ma lasagna hog

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and get this lit calling it a nice night

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out over yeah but it's not nice like n

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IC e it's nice like GN e is get it it's

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like a type of rock Ryan so this is a

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concert about geology I know it's George

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Rob in the geological mr. it's a

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nine-piece rock band with horns and

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their funky and geeky and incredible

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musicians and they do a ton of Gio's

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original music road you know stuff like

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fire When I was your age everything

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alive will die someday brains body both

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okay and they're taping the concert

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friend DVD releasing a live albums to

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get to actually be on the DVD or at

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least the back of your head might be in

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a DVD Wow all right give me the details

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George Rob and the geologic Orchestra

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live in Bethlehem Pennsylvania Saturday

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februari 18 2012 go to geologic concert

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calm for tickets and constantly updated

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and now we take you back to New Orleans

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a couple of weeks ago for the psych on

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convention the committee for skeptical

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inquiry a really fantastic convention

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can't wait to go back next year right

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now I catch up with our investigator and

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noted skeptic been radford last day oh

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how sad been read but it's the last day

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of this wonderful convention and I've

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been on a tram surrounded by scantily

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clad women last night which was

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interesting and interesting look at new

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orleans what have you been up to you've

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been investigating goods and voodoo and

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things well I came out a couple days

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ahead so that I could investigate one of

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America's most haunted plantations the

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Myrtle's plantation wanted firstly crops

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goes to the ghostly crap yes I a little

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sore tongue there so I went and did that

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today a two night investigation in two

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days two nights and got some interesting

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information there and then I came back

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here of course and this is when cyclin

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all four coalesced came together mmm and

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it's been it's been a great great

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conference so far it's clean I packed

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schedule has nest it has been very I

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tell you what from the moment you start

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and then at various times you're looking

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at the program there are two sessions at

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what you want to go to both honestly

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yeah I would say it's a little too

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packed just between the two of us

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because which is not a bad thing right

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it's not it's good that it is packed but

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yeah I agree it's it's a lot for a young

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and and and especially for people who

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haven't renewed to the whole thing and

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they don't know they don't know what

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they want to see yeah they don't want to

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see they want to Richard Saunders of

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course you do he's Richard Saunders I

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guess but I get the session to myself oh

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right right yeah you managed to pull

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that one off but no I said it's a it's a

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good eclectic mix we have you know

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people talking about everything from

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conspiracy theories to UFOs to

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alternative medicine claims

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investigations things like that so it

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was a wide

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engine and it's still going to it's the

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last morning this morning and I'm the

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next speaker in fact after whoever's

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going to be speaking before me yes yes

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so we have a moment to just chat about

537
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:33,850
and saying hello and goodbye to a few

538
00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:36,970
people but it the range is really

539
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:38,800
impressed me everything from as you're

540
00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:40,510
saying UFOs to alternative medicines

541
00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:43,420
conspiracy theories to the media it's

542
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:45,340
fantastic and i think that's that's

543
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:48,070
important for capturing and keeping a

544
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,050
skeptical audience because not everybody

545
00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:51,760
cares about UFO yeah not everyone cares

546
00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:53,230
about you know alternative medicine

547
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:56,140
plaintiff rounds but but in community

548
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,970
like this there's always someone talking

549
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,440
about not only is everything inherently

550
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:01,840
interesting at least to me do you but

551
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:03,370
but it's you know but to somebody who's

552
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:05,710
just coming in the you know they can

553
00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:07,450
find something they can latch onto and

554
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:09,430
say yes I don't care about Bigfoot but I

555
00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:10,960
do care about alternative medicine or I

556
00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:13,060
don't care about UFOs but dammit what

557
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,260
about these these damn psychic

558
00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:16,840
detectives yeah absolutely absolutely

559
00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:19,480
and the people on hand here that the

560
00:24:23,340 --> 00:24:21,220
delegates can come up let me chat too I

561
00:24:26,130 --> 00:24:23,350
mean I'm sure Joe Nickell has been

562
00:24:28,170 --> 00:24:26,140
holding court Randy the other night at

563
00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:28,180
dinner you surrounded by people he was

564
00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:30,940
doing wonderful trick he can't help me I

565
00:24:35,130 --> 00:24:33,160
do give that man a deck of cards that's

566
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:35,140
it yeah anything gone right right right

567
00:24:40,860 --> 00:24:38,410
it will fit will sit there of transfix

568
00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:40,870
yeah yeah I saw that I mean he's giving

569
00:24:45,210 --> 00:24:42,070
demonstration to Bill Nye the Science

570
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:45,220
Guy yes like how cool is that that was

571
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:46,510
pretty cool but I tell you what was

572
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:50,370
pretty freaky later on that evening and

573
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,410
when I was with Phil Plait and some

574
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:54,600
other people just relaxing with some

575
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,270
speakers and there was Bill Nye and I

576
00:25:02,360 --> 00:24:59,760
was demonstrating to Bill Nye we feel

577
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:02,370
played the power balance tricks mmm yeah

578
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,370
that's pretty cool yeah and that's the

579
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:06,720
thing and that's that's one thing that

580
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,250
I've really heard from a lot of the

581
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:10,200
attendees that they really appreciate

582
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:12,270
the fact that that many that the

583
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:14,280
skeptical activists and researchers are

584
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:17,100
accessible Vera it's not a matter of you

585
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:18,840
know oh you can't speak to him because

586
00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:20,940
he's my people are here I mean I'm

587
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,070
here you're here about young people in

588
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:24,960
there I think it really fosters a sense

589
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:27,210
of community it's such a different

590
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:31,140
animal to the amazing meeting and as you

591
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:34,200
I think it would be you'd be going down

592
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:35,880
a blind alley to try and compare them

593
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:37,950
too much at this stage they're different

594
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:40,410
beast something they are there and and

595
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:43,380
you know i think that the plan as far as

596
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:44,730
i understand is to have this be the

597
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,010
first of many I here in New Orleans yeah

598
00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:49,200
the first of several anyway and so you

599
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,030
know like any like any time you're

600
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:53,220
establishing a new continuing conference

601
00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:55,020
in an area you have to start out

602
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,780
somewhere you know you you you build on

603
00:26:01,520 --> 00:25:59,340
the previous year it's not going to be

604
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:01,530
success out of the gate so and I think

605
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,570
that people here recognize it I think so

606
00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:05,400
and but i think the organizers have done

607
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:08,190
the right thing by pulling in the big

608
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:10,470
names so the people who have come here

609
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:12,270
we've got a really big bang for their

610
00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:15,330
buck I think they absolutely haven't

611
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:17,670
even breakfast look at that I know ye

612
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:21,570
you can grab an egg or in coffee

613
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:23,490
fantastic bread I have to say well and

614
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:25,140
of course you know here here here where

615
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,520
we are New Orleans mean there there a

616
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:28,080
million great restaurants within within

617
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,059
a few feet that's train and some crappy

618
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:32,940
ones too but we won't talk about us but

619
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:35,610
but no I mean and you know so everything

620
00:26:41,540 --> 00:26:38,220
is right here and coffees downstairs and

621
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:41,550
yeah it's uh it's going even well it is

622
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,530
going well and it's got one more day and

623
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,600
then you're here for one more night yes

624
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:47,520
do some more fun and interesting things

625
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:51,150
I have to be on a plane heading for Los

626
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:54,360
Angeles okay there you go

627
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:55,620
where I'm going to be catching up with

628
00:26:58,790 --> 00:26:57,570
Brian Dunning so that should it be he

629
00:27:00,800 --> 00:26:58,800
said he's going to take me to death

630
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,810
valley you see wow you didn't show you

631
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:03,600
take me back but it's a one-way street

632
00:27:07,670 --> 00:27:06,600
one day it'll be awesome what do you

633
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:07,680
what do you think which it'll be great

634
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:11,130
yeah I can't wait yeah Oh Ben you are

635
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:12,840
only on our show a few weeks ago but

636
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:14,370
just for those people who have

637
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,110
short-term memory problems where can

638
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:18,240
people find out more about you well

639
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:20,310
let's see probably the easiest place

640
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:23,070
would be on facebook under been radford

641
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:24,840
there's there's me and there's a couple

642
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:26,910
other ones but you know I'm the one

643
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:28,350
that's doing interesting things frankly

644
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:33,120
i Iike it is true then there's course

645
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:35,640
Benjamin Radford calm and I'm also a

646
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:38,070
co-host of the monster talks but monster

647
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:41,010
talk podcast so you know I'm around and

648
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:42,690
people are welcome to look at my stuff

649
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:44,100
and you know Alfred columns for

650
00:27:48,170 --> 00:27:47,040
Discovery News and life science so you

651
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:48,180
know there's plenty of stuff out there

652
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,290
band Radford until how next meeting on

653
00:28:07,940 --> 00:27:54,840
some isolated part of the globe yep

654
00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:07,950
thank you certainly hi this is surly Amy

655
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656
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657
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658
00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:19,410
can find it at surly romics com s you

659
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are ly are am ICS com thanks and be

660
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661
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662
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663
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664
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:45,380
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665
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666
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667
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:53,150
grumpy who came up with a great new

668
00:28:59,260 --> 00:28:56,810
alternative medicine audio pathy tell a

669
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,270
website your ailment pay money put glass

670
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:01,600
of water by the speaker site plays

671
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,510
vitalizing sound drink the cure sounds

672
00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:07,760
just as effective as most alternative

673
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:09,560
medicines i hear about thanks very much

674
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:11,570
will SH and grumpy I'll be contacting

675
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:15,110
you soon and sending off the 4 DVD set

676
00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:36,780
back around the other side of the planet

677
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:40,600
we go now to join Mina once again for

678
00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:42,700
his interviews and reports from the

679
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:45,550
highly successful skeptic camp in

680
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:52,180
Melbourne I look I'm hanging outside

681
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:54,310
once again where all the action goes on

682
00:29:56,850 --> 00:29:55,510
at Melbourne University of a

683
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:56,860
particularly oh they would skeptic am

684
00:30:01,500 --> 00:29:59,440
people got here Ilyas and how coming

685
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:01,510
along here today Liz while I was giving

686
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:03,250
a speech today now which one did you

687
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:04,690
give I might have missed that one I

688
00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:08,080
think he did not like what cuz I've been

689
00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:10,120
in and that was your topic I actually

690
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:11,590
have at the topic of coming out of the

691
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:14,890
closet the skeptical closet Oh a bit of

692
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:18,370
a group participation session Allah of

693
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:21,070
SBS inside was giant Brockie that sort

694
00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:22,570
of started asking questions of the

695
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:24,520
audience and actually saying what their

696
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:26,680
journey was in reaching the point where

697
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:28,150
they realized they felt skeptical

698
00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:30,430
eyebrow whatever it was around them and

699
00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:31,750
how they actually felt that their age

700
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:36,430
their lives have actually then fell

701
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:38,110
today related to the world around them

702
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:39,400
you know whether or not they felt that

703
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:40,840
that sort of all of your old tubes is

704
00:30:44,370 --> 00:30:43,090
accepted around got people talking and

705
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:44,380
what you just couple is the common

706
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:45,520
ground want seem to be the difficult

707
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:48,250
coming out did people at Christmas

708
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:49,510
dinners stop talking to them because

709
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:50,650
they knew they were going to go on about

710
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:52,120
something almost a common problem they

711
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:54,340
all seem to have a lot of misconceptions

712
00:30:59,700 --> 00:30:56,680
a lot of misconceptions about what just

713
00:31:02,640 --> 00:30:59,710
the word skeptic is because it's been

714
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:02,650
misappropriated by many many different

715
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:06,070
conspiracy theorists lobby groups and

716
00:31:10,290 --> 00:31:07,630
also people think are there going to be

717
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,300
a long-winded troublemaker yeah yeah yes

718
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:12,880
absolutely and sort of strident so this

719
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,350
is one of the big barriers of social

720
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,000
barriers that just gives you think there

721
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:17,440
needs to be new word or something

722
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:19,060
another word that can be used as well we

723
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:20,620
had a debate on the podcast other week

724
00:31:23,940 --> 00:31:22,570
about using the word debunker which is

725
00:31:25,290 --> 00:31:23,950
kind of true but it's got negative

726
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:25,300
connotations as well and it's an

727
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:27,880
American word well you know the fact

728
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:29,170
that it's an American waiter means it

729
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:31,410
can't be accepted grudgingly burton's

730
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:34,150
yes oh did you try to use a different

731
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:35,740
word I mean we've got the free thought

732
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,330
of line

733
00:31:39,139 --> 00:31:37,740
over there we use the term critical

734
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:39,149
thinking is there another phrase or word

735
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:41,190
you think could be used instead I think

736
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:42,360
free thought and critical thinking

737
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,100
really summed it up well I'm at the

738
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:46,380
original words skeptic actually means to

739
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:49,289
ask questions to try to put any ideas

740
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:51,990
through logical thought process is 0 it

741
00:31:55,399 --> 00:31:53,490
seems like quite a positive word it's an

742
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:55,409
it's an active word in the sense that

743
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,450
you're trying to think about whatever

744
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:00,240
ideas you have in your head but

745
00:32:05,419 --> 00:32:03,809
somewhere along lines it's you no matter

746
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,429
to get all these negative connotations

747
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,799
and it's difficult to protrude but not

748
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,360
just the word itself and I'm into the

749
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:11,820
ideology that comes with it it comes

750
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,090
with not necessarily taking things at

751
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:18,120
face value which is pretty hard you know

752
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:19,590
for the average person to do I'm not

753
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:21,690
that we're above average but you know

754
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:23,750
there's this a certain ideology that

755
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:26,039
skepticism is spouses and that is to

756
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:27,539
actually really sit down and have a

757
00:32:32,509 --> 00:32:30,510
think and try to find information good

758
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,519
information on whatever it is you're

759
00:32:36,019 --> 00:32:34,080
being presented on all sort of

760
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:36,029
observable phenomena that is exactly

761
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:37,529
what Daniel from the three thought

762
00:32:40,879 --> 00:32:39,299
through thought University alliance

763
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:40,889
tommy said like something both

764
00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:43,260
themselves and the Christians have in

765
00:32:46,009 --> 00:32:44,639
common is that they've sat down had a

766
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:46,019
bit think about it for a while first

767
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:47,700
before they've committed to an ideology

768
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:51,360
or form of thought and a lot of people

769
00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:53,850
can't be asked to and that hmm I can't

770
00:32:59,539 --> 00:32:55,830
be asked no no and that's fair enough

771
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,549
look good to each their own it's not

772
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:01,500
necessarily about committing to a

773
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,450
particular ideology as it is about

774
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:05,279
asking questions and this is what's

775
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,130
where skepticism differs quite markedly

776
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:10,980
from most of the other social movement

777
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:12,570
said it's not actually about giving the

778
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:15,570
ideas about asking the questions it's

779
00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:19,080
the actual full process of asking

780
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:21,299
questions of inquiry is what skepticism

781
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:23,490
is about isn't not necessarily reaching

782
00:33:26,899 --> 00:33:25,769
the final conclusion have you yourself

783
00:33:29,389 --> 00:33:26,909
ever had any what you might have thought

784
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:29,399
was paranormal experience you know I

785
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:31,500
used to think that years and years and

786
00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:34,230
years ago I really felt that it was

787
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:36,870
before I sort of sudden then barking on

788
00:33:41,629 --> 00:33:39,990
my experience with the sceptical free

789
00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:41,639
thinking you know if we thought critical

790
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,590
analysis so it was so-called thinking

791
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:44,880
but

792
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:47,880
I thought I had and I thought it was a

793
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:52,650
ghost but then you know there's when you

794
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:53,910
have those sorts of experience this is

795
00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:55,830
very easy to lump an explanation that's

796
00:34:00,680 --> 00:33:58,230
the the most recognizable I most

797
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:00,690
digestible one and more often than not

798
00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:02,850
it's in line with cultural values and

799
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:04,800
what is your own personal whoo that gets

800
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,690
you the most what's the one that fires

801
00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:08,280
your up the most every skeptics got

802
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,340
theirs what's yours anti-vaccination is

803
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:13,200
it because of the way it's represented

804
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,850
because of the possible harm it can do

805
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:16,800
or just the misrepresentation of science

806
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,570
generally the misrepresentation of

807
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:20,879
science I don't look I don't care

808
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:22,440
anything being lambasted every within

809
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:24,570
the scientific circles if something's

810
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:26,490
not correct and it's not true in a

811
00:34:29,899 --> 00:34:28,350
demonstrable way it's not true no

812
00:34:33,590 --> 00:34:29,909
vaccination if there were good data

813
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:33,600
showing that vaccinations were not event

814
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:36,450
use and that it was harmful if that

815
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,040
would be sent to me tomorrow it's a trot

816
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:40,560
it's crap you know get rid of it but

817
00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:42,510
there's an enormous amount of data

818
00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:45,740
showing that it works and that the risks

819
00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:48,600
whilst present are so minimal they're

820
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:51,149
far far lower than the risks of actually

821
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:52,500
contracting any of the preventable

822
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:54,929
diseases the anti-vaccination movement

823
00:35:00,680 --> 00:34:56,610
however is completely misrepresented

824
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:00,690
data and has in fact tried to use data

825
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:03,360
that is fraudulent the like Wakefield

826
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:06,870
study orbs making up data sets that are

827
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:09,030
totally out of line with anything that's

828
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:11,130
ever been documented do you think I

829
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:13,230
fires me up did you think that they've

830
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:15,990
allowed their mistrust of large industry

831
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:18,810
to overcome their logic yes yes

832
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,780
absolutely that's goes hand in hand with

833
00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:23,460
the anti-vaccination movement there's a

834
00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:26,100
paranoia about the corruption of

835
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:27,990
pharmaceutical industry there's paranoia

836
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:30,930
about the corruption of medical services

837
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:33,420
or the health services industry as well

838
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,150
so it's not just you know Pfizer and

839
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:38,280
Roche who are mistrusted but also

840
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:40,260
doctors and there is evidence that this

841
00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:43,890
does go on there is there is evidence

842
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,340
but there is evidence that the the

843
00:35:51,590 --> 00:35:49,260
process which is the scientific process

844
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:51,600
which is about maintaining integrity is

845
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:53,610
actually been compromised and I think

846
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,860
the argumentative oxidation lobbyists

847
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,440
use that if

848
00:36:02,740 --> 00:36:00,560
this happens it means science is bad and

849
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:02,750
what we're saying is that no it does not

850
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:05,839
mean science as bad it means science is

851
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:08,990
actually not being used properly if and

852
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:10,490
when this does good and it does not

853
00:36:15,790 --> 00:36:13,010
represent the majority and what takes

854
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:15,800
place so and the sorts of issues that

855
00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:17,089
they represent they've tried to

856
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:18,589
represent as you know being indicative

857
00:36:24,309 --> 00:36:22,490
of vaccinations being this you know

858
00:36:26,410 --> 00:36:24,319
great evil has been unleashed upon

859
00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:26,420
society has not actually been through

860
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:28,520
any factual information it's been

861
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:30,190
through other sources that have been

862
00:36:35,890 --> 00:36:33,560
uniquely their own now you've spoken on

863
00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:35,900
coming out as a skeptic what's the best

864
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:38,030
way to do it with minimal friction to

865
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:39,650
your friends at work who like astrology

866
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:41,930
and UPN your parents at the Christmas

867
00:36:45,579 --> 00:36:44,150
table it like to talk about perhaps non

868
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:45,589
atheistic things if you're an atheist

869
00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:47,390
what's that what's the way to reduce the

870
00:36:50,829 --> 00:36:48,440
friction of you and the people around

871
00:36:53,819 --> 00:36:50,839
you coming out look at I think there's

872
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:53,829
any prescribed way that you can actually

873
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:56,030
recommend for anyone to come out

874
00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:57,290
everyone circumstances are different

875
00:37:03,520 --> 00:36:59,690
they're simple friends and family are

876
00:37:05,319 --> 00:37:03,530
different and one person may be

877
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,329
comfortable with the next person may not

878
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:07,760
i mean i think for any individual it's

879
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:08,990
important to feel a sense of pride and

880
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:10,790
being able to assert themselves in a

881
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,160
positive and constructive way and so no

882
00:37:16,859 --> 00:37:14,960
I don't necessarily agree with this but

883
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,869
you don't have necessarily have to be

884
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:19,760
militant about it or make any formal

885
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:22,010
announcements about it it's entirely up

886
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:24,650
to the individual us what they do i do

887
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:30,170
think that when it comes to you know

888
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:31,849
making any declarations for example to

889
00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:34,910
family you know you've got to gauge what

890
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:36,380
your family attitudes are like if

891
00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:39,260
they're extremely anti establishment and

892
00:37:44,319 --> 00:37:42,319
anti medicine then you're much less

893
00:37:45,849 --> 00:37:44,329
likely it's feel comfortable doing it

894
00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:45,859
you know whilst you're living at home

895
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:48,500
and many many young people still are hmm

896
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:49,790
well look what are you looking forward

897
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:51,050
to the rest of the day I mean we've got

898
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:52,760
the drinks afterwards of course oh yeah

899
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:55,010
yeah but it's a couple of the few talks

900
00:37:59,140 --> 00:37:57,319
you looking forward to oh you know the

901
00:38:01,150 --> 00:37:59,150
new the talks have actually been moved

902
00:38:03,099 --> 00:38:01,160
around so I'm not sure who's up next but

903
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:03,109
I've really enjoyed all the talks at off

904
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,510
its I think Jason Browns on an air get

905
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:07,200
causing their trouble right now I'm

906
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:08,520
I go in there might have to drag him out

907
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:10,980
perfect because I'm hoping that someone

908
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:13,410
will go on start saying some stuff go

909
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:15,150
crazy and three people have to drag them

910
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:16,710
from the room that is yet to happen it's

911
00:38:19,970 --> 00:38:17,940
a write-off already called security

912
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:19,980
don't worry about it movie and thanks

913
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,849
for time oh thank you thank you look to

914
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:26,040
general attendees here today what's been

915
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:28,859
the best talk gives in so far definitely

916
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:31,890
Adams talk about running a high school

917
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,260
skeptical society he was really

918
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:36,540
entertaining and some great advice for

919
00:38:40,099 --> 00:38:38,250
reaching out to young people in a

920
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:40,109
respectful way I'm hoping to talk to him

921
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:41,400
cuz I was busy talking Lucas the

922
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:42,780
organizer out in the hallway when that

923
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,890
was going on Andrew well what do you

924
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:45,300
think was the big tip you took away from

925
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:47,010
getting younger people involved with

926
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,260
skepticism what is the hook the care to

927
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:50,640
get people in that might tweak their

928
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:53,700
interest make it fun and engaging talk

929
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,050
about things that they want to talk

930
00:39:00,620 --> 00:38:58,079
about he lets his lessons go off track a

931
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:00,630
lot big based on what the students want

932
00:39:04,849 --> 00:39:03,390
to talk about what's your favorite whoo

933
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,859
I'm asking it over on that today what is

934
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:06,240
the whew that gets their goat that a

935
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:07,650
noise and the most is there one you've

936
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:12,240
got here is a skipping not particularly

937
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:14,609
i gave up chiropractic when I learn more

938
00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:18,300
about it yes I until I became involved

939
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:20,099
the skeptic my law practice are just

940
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:21,599
people who helped you back whenever saw

941
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:24,810
you know but no apparently no not any

942
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:27,810
better than physiotherapy yes sometimes

943
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:29,700
worse yeah and what's your name I'm

944
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:31,260
Natalie Natalie have you traveled here

945
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:33,930
from Sydney from Adelaide actually so

946
00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:35,460
you made the eight-hour Drive did you

947
00:39:42,020 --> 00:39:40,200
fly I flew a special flying person well

948
00:39:43,309 --> 00:39:42,030
I flew in last night too and got him

949
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:43,319
really late and everything that if your

950
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:45,510
flight girl from time I I've actually

951
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,270
been here for a whole week so she's been

952
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:50,400
lording it over people I'm from Adelaide

953
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:53,579
bow down to me exactly know what have

954
00:39:58,490 --> 00:39:56,220
you enjoyed so far well i was actually i

955
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:58,500
really loved the taught by adam the

956
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:00,780
teacher as well that's definitely my

957
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:05,040
favorite so far too and I do he's just a

958
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,930
very light approach to children I think

959
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:09,359
he engages with them really in a light

960
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:12,630
and funny way and also lets them and it

961
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:14,490
has a huge amount of respect to children

962
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:18,119
he was saying how really and I

963
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:21,780
completely agree that you know sometimes

964
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:23,849
people talk down to children in school

965
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:26,270
and he was saying just really respect

966
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:28,710
respect them and you know they've got

967
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,660
too often got a lot to say and he's it

968
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:32,579
sounds like he's actually learnt a lot

969
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:34,770
from his children as well 30 teachers

970
00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:37,170
and whatever you work in do you work in

971
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,359
an area where skepticism can be applied

972
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:43,359
yes I do actually I hadn't thought about

973
00:40:47,729 --> 00:40:45,609
that but but I think skepticism can be

974
00:40:50,249 --> 00:40:47,739
applied and whatever is that I work in a

975
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,259
university for a center for accounting

976
00:40:55,499 --> 00:40:53,440
governance and sustainability so what

977
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:55,509
sort of woo goes on there do they get

978
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:57,730
people in to do weed management courses

979
00:41:03,539 --> 00:41:02,319
or something or have to be a bit of

980
00:41:05,279 --> 00:41:03,549
astrology there they'll be able to

981
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,289
astrology in the office wouldn't that oh

982
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:07,119
there's always astrology in every office

983
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:13,450
I think I find my pet thing is is

984
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:17,049
genetically modified organisms and the

985
00:41:22,739 --> 00:41:19,420
whole debate about whether organic food

986
00:41:24,329 --> 00:41:22,749
is better have a fewer ganic organic

987
00:41:27,089 --> 00:41:24,339
devotees in the office it you have an

988
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:27,099
argument with people that feel very

989
00:41:34,529 --> 00:41:29,650
strongly or don't understand genetically

990
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:34,539
modified technology yeah I do so if you

991
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:35,890
think it's a bit of an unnecessary fear

992
00:41:44,220 --> 00:41:41,369
yes I think it's got a huge benefit for

993
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:44,230
helping the feed the world at the moment

994
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:46,450
I think it's and people that campaign

995
00:41:51,989 --> 00:41:50,319
against it they're actually stopping you

996
00:41:53,849 --> 00:41:51,999
know stopping from better crops from

997
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:53,859
being grown in areas that need to

998
00:42:02,339 --> 00:41:58,890
drought resistant crops and vitamin a

999
00:42:04,019 --> 00:42:02,349
fortified rice freaks out oh yeah and

1000
00:42:05,309 --> 00:42:04,029
now what do you make of other people who

1001
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:05,319
have you been meeting other skeptics

1002
00:42:10,859 --> 00:42:07,529
today we've been having a skeptical time

1003
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:10,869
I've skipped the fest this is this is a

1004
00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:12,730
really social time for me as well as one

1005
00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:13,749
of the main reasons I wanted to come

1006
00:42:17,789 --> 00:42:16,660
along with the networking it's great to

1007
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:17,799
actually connect with so many people

1008
00:42:22,049 --> 00:42:19,450
like natto who i have met at other

1009
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:22,059
events as well hmm and he shoulda been

1010
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:23,470
lauding the fact she's from Adelaide

1011
00:42:27,569 --> 00:42:25,420
over you oh definitely the first thing

1012
00:42:29,069 --> 00:42:27,579
she said I'm from South Australia we are

1013
00:42:31,529 --> 00:42:29,079
the driest stayed in the driest

1014
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:31,539
continent in the world except this year

1015
00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:32,330
yeah

1016
00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:35,240
here it's been very wet look both have a

1017
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:37,220
good time here and look now we have to

1018
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:38,570
protect the food you think there's

1019
00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:40,700
enough food here if it got way too much

1020
00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:43,100
food here well I'm going to eat some

1021
00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:44,500
more of it have a good day ok thanks

1022
00:42:50,890 --> 00:42:49,310
thank you I look and that look at the

1023
00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:50,900
end of the day now ever thoughts turned

1024
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:53,300
to serious drinking but thoughts turn to

1025
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:55,490
to organizing tipis ism on the level at

1026
00:42:58,720 --> 00:42:57,230
school Adam you gave a great talk in

1027
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:58,730
there which I could me to places once

1028
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:00,260
and I missed what was the topic of your

1029
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:01,960
talking I was just talking about the

1030
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:04,100
skeptical society I've started up in my

1031
00:43:07,930 --> 00:43:05,810
school mill site in the mckean and

1032
00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:07,940
secondary skeptical society and trying

1033
00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:09,080
to give a little bit of advice and

1034
00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:10,940
feedback on how to actually go about

1035
00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:12,320
doing that and what things to keep in

1036
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,540
mind while running such a club what was

1037
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,160
the hardest hurdle you had to overcome

1038
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:19,040
to get it going in high school to be

1039
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:21,530
honest so far I haven't had any hurdles

1040
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:23,960
yet it was a really great turnout we had

1041
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:25,490
about 100 kids turning up to the first

1042
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:27,110
stage actually I suppose 100 kids was a

1043
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:28,430
hurdle because i was on each speaking

1044
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:30,890
about 30 but now that it's come down to

1045
00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:34,130
more manageable numbers the i suppose a

1046
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:35,300
hurdle that i would have had is just

1047
00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:37,330
constantly trying to keep it interesting

1048
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:39,560
engage and how did you tweak their

1049
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:41,060
interest to get 100 of them turning up

1050
00:43:44,110 --> 00:43:42,290
with what do you think wasn't that fire

1051
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:44,120
their imagination because that they

1052
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:45,830
might have put on just like extra school

1053
00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:47,420
work or it's just going to be philosophy

1054
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,120
or something you know yeah partially

1055
00:43:53,980 --> 00:43:52,160
i've got a reputation at the school as

1056
00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:53,990
being the teacher who's a little bit odd

1057
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:55,460
and a little bit strange so a

1058
00:43:59,710 --> 00:43:58,250
troublemaker a little bit yeah and few

1059
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,720
of the kids actually said they turned up

1060
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,280
just to see what mr. v was going to be

1061
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:03,680
doing but I tried to make a bit of a

1062
00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:05,600
funny talk at school talk about aliens

1063
00:44:09,490 --> 00:44:06,980
and things like that tried to get the

1064
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:09,500
kids laughing and told them that I was

1065
00:44:12,340 --> 00:44:10,310
going to be setting up with the

1066
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:12,350
experiment to try to see anybody at

1067
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:14,900
school what psychic or not and we ran

1068
00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:16,700
that experiment through about 60 or so

1069
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:17,990
kids none of them was psychic

1070
00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:20,420
unfortunately but it was still a good

1071
00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:21,800
time it was still a lot of fun trying to

1072
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:23,240
find out you know what was going to

1073
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:24,079
happen

1074
00:44:28,029 --> 00:44:26,450
so you're doing what Michael Sherman was

1075
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:28,039
saying another week on the show that the

1076
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:30,529
paranormal is a gateway drug to science

1077
00:44:34,809 --> 00:44:32,690
yeah just about that was one of their

1078
00:44:36,249 --> 00:44:34,819
points i'm hating my talk was that if

1079
00:44:38,589 --> 00:44:36,259
you're going to run a skepticism club

1080
00:44:40,299 --> 00:44:38,599
for kids don't make it a science club if

1081
00:44:41,319 --> 00:44:40,309
you say hey kids i'm starting a science

1082
00:44:43,059 --> 00:44:41,329
club you're going to get a lot of them

1083
00:44:44,979 --> 00:44:43,069
doing science that's crap i'm not going

1084
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,989
to turn up you make it an interesting

1085
00:44:48,099 --> 00:44:47,119
sounding skepticism club kids are going

1086
00:44:50,499 --> 00:44:48,109
to come in and they're going to learn

1087
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:50,509
science without even realizing it so try

1088
00:44:54,759 --> 00:44:52,729
to trick them into becoming more

1089
00:44:56,469 --> 00:44:54,769
scientifically minded we're trying to

1090
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,479
think of a way on the show too we're

1091
00:45:00,549 --> 00:44:59,119
thinking maybe skepticism or debunking

1092
00:45:01,870 --> 00:45:00,559
maybe then it needs to a different word

1093
00:45:03,729 --> 00:45:01,880
because when you talk critical thinking

1094
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,739
or skepticism people think that there's

1095
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:05,839
a lot of work involved with thinking or

1096
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:07,249
philosophy or something new there's

1097
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:08,779
another word we could use or a term we

1098
00:45:13,749 --> 00:45:10,609
could use it would be a bit more public

1099
00:45:15,099 --> 00:45:13,759
friendly yeah I suppose I mean I only

1100
00:45:17,049 --> 00:45:15,109
think about these things from me you

1101
00:45:18,339 --> 00:45:17,059
know the point of view of a teenager and

1102
00:45:19,809 --> 00:45:18,349
I think from the point of view of a

1103
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:19,819
teenager we don't use any of those words

1104
00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:21,529
at all I haven't heard anybody say

1105
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:22,940
debunking in the only time I hear the

1106
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:24,680
word skepticism is when they refer to

1107
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:27,049
that as the name of the club it's more

1108
00:45:30,549 --> 00:45:28,670
about from the kids point of view

1109
00:45:32,439 --> 00:45:30,559
getting together and having fun laughing

1110
00:45:34,089 --> 00:45:32,449
at some of the wacky things that people

1111
00:45:35,859 --> 00:45:34,099
get into and then every now and again

1112
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:35,869
nodding our heads seriously when we

1113
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:37,630
realize how dangerous that stuff can be

1114
00:45:42,549 --> 00:45:40,849
so I think the promotion of the idea of

1115
00:45:44,349 --> 00:45:42,559
how fun it can be and how interesting

1116
00:45:45,999 --> 00:45:44,359
that type of stuff is that's what seems

1117
00:45:47,229 --> 00:45:46,009
to be getting them and is there

1118
00:45:48,759 --> 00:45:47,239
something the kids have brought to you

1119
00:45:51,370 --> 00:45:48,769
that that found that it's even missed

1120
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,380
your radar that you going back that yeah

1121
00:45:54,729 --> 00:45:52,880
actually just a couple of weeks ago I

1122
00:45:56,349 --> 00:45:54,739
had a comment from a 12 year old girl

1123
00:45:57,789 --> 00:45:56,359
who said mr. v you're trying to teach us

1124
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:57,799
how to be critical and how to you know

1125
00:46:01,180 --> 00:45:59,630
analyze everything we hear but you

1126
00:46:03,939 --> 00:46:01,190
realize that we all believe everything

1127
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,949
you say without question and that really

1128
00:46:07,689 --> 00:46:05,839
made me step back a bit and go oh yeah

1129
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:07,699
actually I suppose I'm inadvertently

1130
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,249
teaching me bad habits while trying to

1131
00:46:14,289 --> 00:46:11,839
teach you good habits so that was a very

1132
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:14,299
good observation there I survived you

1133
00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:15,650
started putting a few extra foot notes

1134
00:46:19,479 --> 00:46:17,180
at the ends of your comments towards

1135
00:46:20,979 --> 00:46:19,489
them well now I've been based on that

1136
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:20,989
idea I did think one of these days I'm

1137
00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:22,249
going to have to run a session from them

1138
00:46:25,749 --> 00:46:23,749
where I try to teach them something

1139
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:25,759
that's just absolute crap and see how

1140
00:46:29,259 --> 00:46:27,529
long it takes the kids to go hang on a

1141
00:46:30,819 --> 00:46:29,269
minute that doesn't sound quite right

1142
00:46:33,009 --> 00:46:30,829
what's so you're actually going to run

1143
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:33,019
the argument from Authority test in

1144
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:34,700
public with real people

1145
00:46:38,380 --> 00:46:36,260
yeah yeah absolutely try to convince

1146
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:38,390
Lamu of something that's clearly not

1147
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,570
true and speaking of had a great day

1148
00:46:44,109 --> 00:46:42,560
there's been a lot of arguments from

1149
00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:44,119
Authority and non authority here today

1150
00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:45,980
what do you make it skeptic out Melman I

1151
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:47,420
think it's been absolutely fantastic

1152
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:49,550
this has been actually only the second

1153
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:50,990
skeptical thing I've ever really been to

1154
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:53,060
I've been really impressed at the the

1155
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:54,320
quality of the people that have come

1156
00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:55,930
along toward the quality of the talks

1157
00:47:00,430 --> 00:46:57,950
one thing that I'm really thrilled out

1158
00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:00,440
this is about how friendly people are as

1159
00:47:03,310 --> 00:47:01,880
i said on in the second time i've been

1160
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:03,320
around these people and I felt really

1161
00:47:07,329 --> 00:47:05,810
really welcomed people have come up to

1162
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:07,339
me and spoken to me been really polite

1163
00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:08,990
really friendly really interesting so

1164
00:47:12,339 --> 00:47:10,849
that's what I've enjoyed more about is

1165
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:12,349
actually the social aspect and getting

1166
00:47:16,569 --> 00:47:14,450
to meet a whole bunch of people who feel

1167
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:16,579
the same way about this what is the word

1168
00:47:19,390 --> 00:47:18,230
that tweaked your anger the most in the

1169
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:19,400
public what's the one that you usually

1170
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:25,250
makes you see read the fastest I think

1171
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:27,890
anything that hurts children anything

1172
00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:29,930
that if an adult wants to make a

1173
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:31,940
decision if it is if an adult decides

1174
00:47:35,859 --> 00:47:33,710
I'm going to follow astrology I'm gonna

1175
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:35,869
follow homeopathy that upsets me but

1176
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,640
it's their decision it's an adult but

1177
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:38,960
when I hear about things that are

1178
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:40,310
affecting children that they're not

1179
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,230
knowledgeable enough or they don't have

1180
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,000
enough power to fighter games that's

1181
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:45,440
what really gets me when I hear about

1182
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:47,390
parents forcing their children to take

1183
00:47:51,339 --> 00:47:49,460
homeopathy when I hear about companies

1184
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:51,349
conning children into buying the power

1185
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:53,210
balance bracelets those types of things

1186
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:54,650
where the kids don't have the skills

1187
00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:56,420
that they need to actually recognize it

1188
00:47:59,950 --> 00:47:58,099
for what it is that's what gets nothing

1189
00:48:01,809 --> 00:47:59,960
that's the that's the lowest of the low

1190
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,819
to be hurting kids with that type of

1191
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:03,920
thing and they look and they you come

1192
00:48:07,089 --> 00:48:05,690
across the international theory it I

1193
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,099
love that one I mean as Erich von

1194
00:48:11,530 --> 00:48:09,680
Daniken be mentioned in your class ah no

1195
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:11,540
that hasn't come up and honestly it's

1196
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:13,130
because I don't know enough about it I

1197
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,690
always make sure if I'm going to talk

1198
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,920
about anything it's something that I've

1199
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:17,359
researched so do you think you could

1200
00:48:20,829 --> 00:48:19,310
possibly bring someone who is on that

1201
00:48:22,839 --> 00:48:20,839
side of the paranormal to give a chat

1202
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:22,849
and then you debate them do you think it

1203
00:48:25,150 --> 00:48:23,990
ever gets someone that we were willing

1204
00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:25,160
to do that or whether you'd want to do

1205
00:48:29,319 --> 00:48:27,020
that it I would be a little bit

1206
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:29,329
concerned about that I do plan on one

1207
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:30,710
day having a debate between two of our

1208
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,690
teachers one of our on climate change

1209
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:34,640
we've got one teacher who's a very

1210
00:48:39,099 --> 00:48:37,160
hardcore climate denied climate change

1211
00:48:40,359 --> 00:48:39,109
denier and another teacher who's going

1212
00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:40,369
along well with the scientific consensus

1213
00:48:44,650 --> 00:48:42,560
and both of them have actually agreed to

1214
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,660
have a one-on-one public debate in front

1215
00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,000
of the students so that's

1216
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:47,920
that could be an interesting one for the

1217
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:50,320
future and just before we go I'm just

1218
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:51,610
wondering if somebody what if other

1219
00:48:53,970 --> 00:48:52,690
people want to get involved in what

1220
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:53,980
you're doing what's the best way to do

1221
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:54,970
that if you got a website or something

1222
00:48:59,850 --> 00:48:58,000
we do have a website it's just a Google

1223
00:49:01,950 --> 00:48:59,860
site you can go on to google and do a

1224
00:49:04,830 --> 00:49:01,960
search for McKinnon secondary skeptical

1225
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:04,840
society or you can find me on Twitter my

1226
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:08,170
name is van a damn it's VA in a DA mm II

1227
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:09,790
like van den but with an extra a in

1228
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:12,010
there and what I'd really love is if

1229
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:13,450
there's anybody out there that would be

1230
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,860
interested in coming along and giving a

1231
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:16,480
presentation giving a talk to the kids

1232
00:49:19,890 --> 00:49:18,430
or if they have any resources that they

1233
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:19,900
think might be useful in giving

1234
00:49:23,370 --> 00:49:21,640
presentations or just having a bit of

1235
00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:23,380
fun educating the students that would be

1236
00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:25,720
absolutely amazing so any air in

1237
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,980
particular you're looking for is there

1238
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:29,200
any scientific discipline you're looking

1239
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:30,900
into is if you want a physics teacher

1240
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:34,330
cosmology not absolutely not i'm happy

1241
00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:36,010
for anybody that things that they've got

1242
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:37,300
something to share something that they

1243
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:38,890
think would be beneficial for high

1244
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:41,050
school students to learn about i'm more

1245
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:42,430
than happy to have anybody come along

1246
00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:45,220
and have a chat well i think you should

1247
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:46,540
get a high distinction for just getting

1248
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:47,770
those kids thinking in the first place

1249
00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:49,300
that's great ah thank you very much

1250
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,530
I'm just up the back with the cool kids

1251
00:49:59,480 --> 00:49:56,400
at the very end of the day who we got

1252
00:50:01,100 --> 00:49:59,490
here Fiona and Monica okay now what's

1253
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:01,110
been your favorite part that I so far

1254
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,570
Fiona you've then got one and no it's

1255
00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:05,700
all been really good now with the talks

1256
00:50:10,370 --> 00:50:07,350
what you expected or whether some topics

1257
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:10,380
you've surprisingly enjoyed I did enjoy

1258
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:14,370
the one about enemas I was very

1259
00:50:18,860 --> 00:50:16,920
interested that was very interested and

1260
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:18,870
what about those 18th century like bal

1261
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:21,420
tickling stuffs with radium in here yeah

1262
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:24,330
that's a bit scary actually particular

1263
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:25,710
when they said actual size and the

1264
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:27,150
things about three feet that was very

1265
00:50:31,930 --> 00:50:29,250
scary oz now yes the gentleman in the

1266
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:31,940
cartoon did look a bit sorry let's say

1267
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,380
and and what do you make it the the

1268
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:36,180
people are here tonight today what do

1269
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:38,970
you think I'm pleasantly surprised about

1270
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:42,330
how much intelligent four threes and

1271
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:44,730
there were these irregular faces you'd

1272
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,830
see in a skeptical people there are some

1273
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,140
familiar faces but there's quite a good

1274
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:51,420
mix of people actually from all walks of

1275
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:53,940
life by the looks of things and I've

1276
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,410
been asking everyone the key question

1277
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,640
days I've been asking what their

1278
00:51:00,260 --> 00:50:58,680
favorite woo is like it is a kind of

1279
00:51:01,490 --> 00:51:00,270
whoo that you that really get your

1280
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,500
dander up for some people it's the

1281
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,880
anti-vaccination from the people's

1282
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:05,280
astrology for various UFOs is the one

1283
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:06,660
that really you you have to fly it

1284
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:08,850
whenever you said auntie facts and why

1285
00:51:14,410 --> 00:51:10,970
is that exactly because i work in

1286
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:14,420
disability care and the link between

1287
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:17,400
vaccinations and autism and you would

1288
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:19,020
often be getting that from mothers so

1289
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,400
that would be a difficult thing to talk

1290
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,440
about because it's so close to them well

1291
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:24,300
for order them done Deanna factors are

1292
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,910
playing on their own guilt of having a

1293
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:29,280
child with a disability and these people

1294
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:31,559
are targeting vacuum and that

1295
00:51:36,499 --> 00:51:35,400
pisses me off can hear the anger in

1296
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,509
there have you got a will you were

1297
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:38,579
elegans you know I'm pretty annoyed at

1298
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:40,890
most of them well perhaps I can ask you

1299
00:51:44,509 --> 00:51:42,900
I'm there was one bit of research that

1300
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:44,519
came out earlier this year and there

1301
00:51:48,979 --> 00:51:47,369
seemed to be a possible serotonin link

1302
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,989
with autism and I'm just wondering is

1303
00:51:53,779 --> 00:51:50,819
that been investigated at all no it

1304
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:53,789
hasn't yeah we're about to get in

1305
00:51:59,769 --> 00:51:55,049
trouble I have to go sit down thank you

1306
00:52:03,709 --> 00:52:01,939
that's okay now look I'm talking to

1307
00:52:05,449 --> 00:52:03,719
everyone who's coming along and the few

1308
00:52:06,469 --> 00:52:05,459
people hanging around maybe pick up some

1309
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:06,479
stuff that was left behind we've got

1310
00:52:09,380 --> 00:52:07,890
Lawrence heal the Highlands how are you

1311
00:52:11,299 --> 00:52:09,390
hey good how are you pretty good now

1312
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,309
how's the tour going is it continuing on

1313
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,619
ah not just finish my tour of my live

1314
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:16,079
show although I might do some extra

1315
00:52:19,729 --> 00:52:18,150
dates may be in Hobart so there's a bit

1316
00:52:22,459 --> 00:52:19,739
of an exclusive there so what so is

1317
00:52:24,799 --> 00:52:22,469
Hobart like a secret den of skepticism

1318
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,809
we don't know about no my show isn't a

1319
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,339
skepticism show this one is the launch

1320
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:29,099
loan wants a jetpack show oh I know I'm

1321
00:52:32,029 --> 00:52:30,660
skeptical about that the title but I

1322
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:32,039
mean well this most scientists are

1323
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:33,689
skeptical of jet packs they only seem to

1324
00:52:37,459 --> 00:52:36,059
go for like 30 seconds and such but you

1325
00:52:39,439 --> 00:52:37,469
know there are a lot a lot of new jet

1326
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:39,449
packs around these days I'm going New

1327
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:41,130
Zealand and money this one goes for

1328
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:43,170
about half an hour so but is it strictly

1329
00:52:46,489 --> 00:52:44,670
speaking a jet pack it looks like he's

1330
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:46,499
got a helicopter in the back of it

1331
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:48,660
where's the jet but you know it's

1332
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:50,130
strictly speaking it does fly and take

1333
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:51,569
her from the ground well see you've got

1334
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:53,849
me one to come to the show oh cool yeah

1335
00:52:57,499 --> 00:52:56,130
yeah so come down to Tasmania if I do it

1336
00:52:59,359 --> 00:52:57,509
in Tasmania we haven't booked it yet but

1337
00:53:02,689 --> 00:52:59,369
I've been all around Australia with the

1338
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:02,699
show I did in Sydney and Adelaide

1339
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,400
Brisbane Perth and also came back from

1340
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:07,559
London I did it in London and I saw that

1341
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:08,579
that's pretty cool what do you make of

1342
00:53:12,169 --> 00:53:10,529
skip de Kamp melbourne today skincare

1343
00:53:13,339 --> 00:53:12,179
melbourne fantastic you know really well

1344
00:53:14,989 --> 00:53:13,349
organized them up going to a conference

1345
00:53:17,059 --> 00:53:14,999
which is free I love going to a

1346
00:53:18,979 --> 00:53:17,069
conference which you know food food yeah

1347
00:53:21,439 --> 00:53:18,989
and also anyone can get up if they want

1348
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,449
to talk about something whatever they're

1349
00:53:24,289 --> 00:53:22,559
passionate about or whatever feel

1350
00:53:26,689 --> 00:53:24,299
they're involved in the whole sort of

1351
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:26,699
skepticism critical thinking movement

1352
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:28,920
they they got up there and they talked a

1353
00:53:32,479 --> 00:53:30,359
few issues what was their talk to

1354
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:32,489
particularly rang your bell quite like

1355
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,760
this this guy could um

1356
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:37,440
langeberg he's a schoolteacher his math

1357
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:40,200
teacher actually it's kids called mr. v

1358
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:44,190
and yeah he did a talk about using

1359
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:45,810
skepticism in the classroom and he sort

1360
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:48,470
of holds a little like lunchtime

1361
00:53:53,420 --> 00:53:51,930
skepticism 101 basically classes I was

1362
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,430
talking to him and the way he motivates

1363
00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:54,720
kid is it just by getting them

1364
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:56,070
interested in stuff doesn't use were

1365
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,510
skepticism critical thinking or

1366
00:54:01,160 --> 00:53:59,040
philosophy doesn't use any of that and

1367
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,170
he uses lots of jokes to which which I

1368
00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:03,000
like yeah so that was really good

1369
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:05,420
because it's kind of the future of

1370
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:09,090
skepticism I guess comes from the kids

1371
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:11,369
since comes from our education so and I

1372
00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:12,780
wish I had classes like that when I was

1373
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:14,820
a kid me too but right now it's down

1374
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:16,440
it's down the pub time no that's right

1375
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:18,210
that's right when I was a kid I was just

1376
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:20,130
like reading james randi books in the

1377
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,230
library but this it's great to see that

1378
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:23,760
there's teachers out there who are sort

1379
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:24,900
of you know teaching critical thinking

1380
00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:27,660
as well look you've done a show on the

1381
00:54:30,859 --> 00:54:29,220
paranormal is there still one area the

1382
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:30,869
paranormal that still attracts you even

1383
00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:32,070
though you know it's probably not real

1384
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,470
ah yeah well you know there's a lot of

1385
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:36,960
amazing things out there and you know

1386
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:38,790
maybe who knows what's going to be out

1387
00:54:44,090 --> 00:54:41,880
there in the future I wouldn't want to

1388
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:44,100
say too much about that now ok Roddy but

1389
00:54:49,340 --> 00:54:46,680
um ya know but unbelievable was a really

1390
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:49,350
enjoyable show to make it's kind of good

1391
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:51,570
to have a I guess it was it's like a

1392
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,330
psychology science-based comedy show and

1393
00:54:57,050 --> 00:54:55,680
of course I couldn't say it was that

1394
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,060
when when I was pitching it i just

1395
00:55:01,040 --> 00:54:58,920
wanted to a show about no testing

1396
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,050
psychics and looking at psychology and

1397
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:03,119
but without using the word psychology so

1398
00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:06,690
it's kind of a fun way to I guess I want

1399
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:09,030
say educate people but you know show

1400
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:10,500
people things that they may not have

1401
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:12,330
thought of before but in an entertaining

1402
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:33,190
Richard our seven i can't believe i'm

1403
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:35,270
back but it's so good to be back how was

1404
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:37,940
your um your during the show there you

1405
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:40,790
were practicing your mobile app well no

1406
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:43,910
the up actually I say moog but it

1407
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:47,090
probably is mug I was probably mugu yeah

1408
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,850
probably the upshot of the whole

1409
00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:51,680
experience throughout the show is I need

1410
00:55:59,080 --> 00:55:57,470
more practice that was Richard he's

1411
00:56:01,480 --> 00:55:59,090
doing much better than I i well know

1412
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,490
it's good fun it is a lot of fun it's

1413
00:56:05,350 --> 00:56:03,440
like hey I haven't heard many inquiries

1414
00:56:07,570 --> 00:56:05,360
about the the Third Eye Hospital I

1415
00:56:09,220 --> 00:56:07,580
really did expect a few more inquires

1416
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:09,230
boo to get the Octus difference so I

1417
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:11,090
could get their fur die if it looked at

1418
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:13,940
but we need it we need a new a new dr.

1419
00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:16,850
Stefan char he's got to come back well

1420
00:56:20,530 --> 00:56:18,950
the good thing is that that the holidays

1421
00:56:22,540 --> 00:56:20,540
are coming here in Australia the summer

1422
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:22,550
the summer time is coming the weather's

1423
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,260
getting good and I'm actually a bit of

1424
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:26,000
time off so there's a bit of chance that

1425
00:56:31,210 --> 00:56:27,290
we might actually get together a bit

1426
00:56:33,340 --> 00:56:31,220
more often I think too that the skeptic

1427
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:33,350
zone team doctor rachey Joanne been amoo

1428
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,900
Iran and our regulars we're gonna have

1429
00:56:39,070 --> 00:56:37,760
another think tank soon because it's

1430
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:39,080
very hard to do these days have

1431
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:41,000
everybody so business so busy but we

1432
00:56:44,590 --> 00:56:43,010
want to sort of plan it normally we meet

1433
00:56:46,090 --> 00:56:44,600
at our favorite club down the end of the

1434
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:46,100
street can appear elston park ourselves

1435
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:48,110
the listeners know but this time the

1436
00:56:53,110 --> 00:56:49,970
next time we're gonna do it up in the

1437
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:53,120
North Shore Oh closer to you ah up the

1438
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:56,060
road I'll beat it so so Joan around and

1439
00:56:59,890 --> 00:56:57,770
the others don't have to travel to see

1440
00:57:01,600 --> 00:56:59,900
us will travel up to see them find a

1441
00:57:03,580 --> 00:57:01,610
nice club oh that's gonna be awesome a

1442
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:03,590
big dinner there's a good 1c north ryde

1443
00:57:07,870 --> 00:57:05,570
ourselves quite not yeah we should do

1444
00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:07,880
well we're gonna have to get to you what

1445
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:09,380
do we'll do it we'll do it think tank

1446
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,600
pretty soon done locked in thanks

1447
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:13,280
Lissa's thank you Richard thank you good

1448
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:15,740
to see you back in the country huh i'm

1449
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,310
on i'm going back to a california in

1450
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:21,920
january and then i'm going to manchester

1451
00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:24,890
in march well how QED or your body clock

1452
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:27,030
must be totally Kyle Oh

1453
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,260
gone hit the reset button only are on

1454
00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:33,960
the ipad i wish i wish i could i wish i

1455
00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:36,060
wish my bonnie clonk was like the ipad

1456
00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:38,220
reset button in time zones what did I

1457
00:57:43,220 --> 00:57:40,620
return am I now quickly that's done I'm

1458
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:43,230
done I really well we'll see you at

1459
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:45,750
another in the same time zone hopefully

1460
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:48,450
in a week or so time I think so catch a

1461
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:54,690
soon bye bye you've been listening to

1462
00:58:03,290 --> 00:57:58,610
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